according to cbs 51% of uncommitted voters said joe biden won the debate compared with 31% for paul ryan. connell: i was a little surprised but polls can be all over the place. the reason i was surprised -- [talking over each other] connell: i thought he appealed to the choir, people already lights and whereas those who didn't like it would reinforce things they didn't like but the uncommitted in this poll liked him. lou: you raise a very good point. the fact is had joe biden not been so over the top aggressive, disrespectful of the decorum required for that, compare as we did, his performance in 2008 with what he did last night are two different people. he was constrained, respectful, focused in 2008. what we witnessed from this vice president west night is the antithesis of everything that happened in 2008. dagen: you have to be very careful when you are debating a woman because if you have a certain age to you, you look like a chauvinist. it is a rule of politics. you have to be careful. lou: and will back up a little of my chair now. dagen: as a man how you address a woman. lou: ther